Monday, January 30, 2017
Hindutva Mobs vs Atheist Balendu Swami Program (Vrndavana)
http://www.dailyo.in/voices/vrindavan-hindutva-atheism-balendu-swami-birthday-nhrc/story/1/15258.html
["Atheist Alliance" not so welcome in Vrndavana. Where are the mobs who are against the GBC's sexual predator messiah's program? ys pd]
["Atheist Alliance" not so welcome in Vrndavana. Where are the mobs who are against the GBC's sexual predator messiah's program? ys pd]
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Sunday, January 29, 2017
Srila Prabhupada's Books Not Potent? (Mahatma das vs PADA)
[PADA: Thanks Mahatma das for your article, saying that Madhu Pandit das (and PADA) should not recognize that ISKCON people can make advancement under the current GBC guru structure. I think you are not aware that probably 90% of our various site's readers are current or former followers of GBC gurus. If we agree with you -- and say all of these people are not capable of advancing, that would chop off almost ALL of our customers, and this would severely hamper our preaching effort.
You also seem to be very confused about how these people are actually capable of making advancement? Yes, they may have officially accepted a GBC guru, but they are still mostly reading from Srila Prabhupada's books. And that is how (at least some of them) are capable of making advancement. And that is also why they eventually may come to read sites like PADA, they read something from the books and realize that the GBC are not following the books, so they investigate further and come to us. Why is this not advancing?
For example, one devotee we are good friends with in a foreign land says that for the past 20 years his temple has lost 95% of the people who joined during that time frame. OK they join, stay a short while, and then leave, and he says, that is because they read the books of Srila Prabhupada and they realize the GBC's guru process is bogus, and then they leave. Now according to you, they did not advance --- from reading the books? How can you say that reading the books is not advancing?
Worse! Why are you saying that they are not advancing when they read the books and then they reject the GBC process? It seems to us you are saying the books have no potency? Or worse, reading the books is not advancing, they should have stayed with the GBC? Sorry, we would say reading the books is making them advance, and we have plenty of examples, at least hundreds if not more, of how this is working nicely.
Many of these folks read the books, then they come to read our sites, or they may have seen various news media about GBC scandals, and so ok, they were at one time with the GBC, but then they became educated further and they left, and in fact most of them left. Why are you saying that they did not advance? Not sure what your point is? I am also in touch with a few somewhat highly placed ISKCON people who told me, the GBC's gurus are a crock, and they know that from reading the books. Now according to you, these people have made no advancement?
Anyway! Most of them left, because the behavior of the GBC's gurus does not match the concept of guru found in the books. And a lot of them continue on having faith in Srila Prabhupada and his books, they just do not want to participate in the GBC's process. Its baffling that according to you, these people have not advanced? They left the GBC's gurus process due to reading the books, and are now more or less accepting Srila Prabhupada, and my friend says in his foreign city a lot of these people do not even keep the GBC's guru's pictures on their home altars anymore, only Srila Prabhupada's, how is that not advancing?
I am also now on a forum of several hundred devotees, and ALL of them are past or current affiliated with ISKCON, and ALL of them have had ISKCON gurus at one time (some have had four as their gurus fell down). If we started out saying that they are fools who could NEVER make ANY progress from reading Srila Prabhupada's books, we will simply stop all the preaching to these people. Sorry, we should recognize that many of them have made progress by association with the books of the acharya, because they have! (Some of them are now calling me to discuss things further).
They are our best customers, and Madhu Pandit and others recognize this. Mahatma, you want us to boycott our whole program of preaching to all these current or ex-ISKCON people, but that would be declaring that reading Srila Prabhupada's books has no potency, because we would be saying even if they read his books they cannot advance. Why would we insist on saying people who read the books cannot make advancement, when we see hundreds and hundreds of examples where such people have advanced?
Sorry! Many of these people ARE reading the books of Srila Prabhupada and thus they ARE making progress, and thus more and more of them ARE coming to accept our idea! And more of them ARE connecting with us, because they have made advancement! And that is also why 95 percent of their people leave, they are advancing in realization, and in large part that is because they read the books of Srila Prabhupada.
Madhu Pandit himself was one of these former GBC people, and our preaching, and of course the books, helped him come to the platform of worship of Srila Prabhupada. Why should we condemn this process? This is the same problem we have with HKC folks, they say Madhu Pandit should not take donations from sinful people, well that program was made by Srila Prabhupada, not Madhu Pandit? They are attacking the acharya, not Madhu Pandit.
Anyway, if you guys do not want us to preach to our best customers, then basically you us want to stop our entire preaching process. Our program is a success, we are getting more people on board all the time. This was also the problem of the Gaudiya Matha, they attacked the preaching of Srila Prabhupada, but did not have great success preaching themselves. If there is a better process, we are not seeing it manifesting.
Yes, the GBC guru people are reading the books of Srila Prabhupada, and yes, for that reason they can advance. And to say that reading the books of the acharya makes it impossible to advance, means you do not have much faith in these books? Or what? Then you wonder why we are not promoting your materials, well if your basic premise is that reading the books means you cannot make any advancement ... how can we promote that? ys pd]
Krishna West Is a Pest (Update)
A Response to "Who is Giridhari das?"
BY: KRISHNA DASI (India)
I experienced mixed feelings while reading the article "Who is Giridhari das?" Although the author deserves kudos for raising his voice against this shameless deviation going on in name of preaching, he speaks as if he had made a new discovery. I wonder if the author himself lives in Brazil and knows well the local devotees and leaders. His reporting Giridhari das to Hridayananda das Gosvami is pathetic, and shows how deluded the author himself is. That is as ludicrous as reporting Meghanada to Ravana. Sounds like the author doesn't know that Hridayananda is a pioneer in introducing all kinds of deviations and that Giridhari das is one of his most obedient sons and gives him great pride when he shows how nicely he learnt everything, as in the mentioned video.
[PADA: Yes, we have had the same experience, various devotees are telling PADA how proud they are -- that they wrote a letter of complaint to the GBC, which is like writing to the bank robbers -- to complain about banks being robbed? It makes no sense? For example, PADA has recently been invited to an independent forum of devotees, a few of them are Prabhupadaungas -- and thus, the defenders of the GBC on the forum are basically being clobbered. This process has to be done outside the GBC's controlled venues and forums, where we are regularly banned and blocked etc.
Yep, some of the GBC's defender folks on this independent forum started to argue the GBC / Rocana / Torben Nielsen / Ajit Krishna / Kailash chandra idea -- that Krishna and his parampara are posthumous and post mortem, apparently the parampara suffers from rigor mortis for these folks. Yep, these poor people also cannot not even identify who is their living guru, and neither can the GBC's folks identify theirs -- on this forum. Bluffers. All they know is -- Srila Prabhupada is not the guru -- and apparently, no one else is either? Mayavada! Maybe they worship the captain of San Francisco ghost ship?
Yep! You'd need to make your own independent newsletters, web sites, forums etc., and / or you'd need to address things publicly yourself and etc. because talking to the deviants does not reduce the deviations. Of course as soon as PADA starts making protests against the sexual predator messiahs -- all sorts of people try to shut us down, because the deviants have a lot of sympathizers.
Same basic problem we are having with HKC Jaipur folks, they are not happy with things, so they get cheap blessings from Prahlad das -- and start citing his shiksha gurus -- the GBC's guru club's biggest cheer leaders like Bhakta das and Hari Sauri, thinking that the people who are lost in the wilderness will lead them out of the wilderness. Another ex-HKC just told me the problem with these folks is, they want to be recognized as some sort of cheap gurus, which is why they go to obtain cheap blessings from similar cheap people.]
Same basic problem we are having with HKC Jaipur folks, they are not happy with things, so they get cheap blessings from Prahlad das -- and start citing his shiksha gurus -- the GBC's guru club's biggest cheer leaders like Bhakta das and Hari Sauri, thinking that the people who are lost in the wilderness will lead them out of the wilderness. Another ex-HKC just told me the problem with these folks is, they want to be recognized as some sort of cheap gurus, which is why they go to obtain cheap blessings from similar cheap people.]
The author also expresses doubt whether most devotees and leaders there agree with Giridhari das, since no one bothered to reply to his complaints. Here again the author sounds as if he is very surprised and oblivious to the fact that what is passing in the name of ISKCON in Brazil is a bottomless can of worms where Srila Prabhupada's instructions and standards have no place.
[PADA: Bottomless can of worms ... of coursel!]
Giridhari das at least has the guts to publicly declare what nearly every Hare Krsna in Brazil thinks and practices, that too with the full blessings of their gurus and authorities. As the old adage says, as the king, so the people. Of course, for them Srila Prabhupada is no authority, as Hridayananda taught them so well by publicly amending, correcting and denying his instructions so many times. All of them promise to follow the regulative principles at the moment of initiation, but they cross their fingers behind their back and give their own interpretation to each of the principles to avoid their literal meaning, as Giridhari das teaches us in his videos. Cases like this make me wonder when ISKCON will have the sort of excommunication system as other religious groups have.
[PADA: Right, the whole Krishna West concept teaches that KRISHNA's and
Srila Prabhupada's ideas are out-moded, out-dated, and basically wrong, and so we need to more or less conform to modern society and even promote gay marriages etc. Hrdayananda baffled some devotees a while back when he walked into a temple without removing his shoes, and he launched into a giant tirade about modern education being a slaughterhouse, while he was himself going to college even while he was a guru, to get his Ph. D. degree (aka -- Howard J. Resnick, Ph.D.)?
Aren't sannyasas supposed to go to college to set up preaching programs, not to go there to obtain their mundane education classes? And the rest of the GBC knew the whole time that HDG and Tamal were going to college while they were gurus and sannyasas?]
One of the leading initiating gurus in Brazil once told me the same thing straight away – that no one can say that to have free sex with one's wife is illicit and that no scripture says so. This is what they usually tell their disciples in privacy, although they may avoid cameras and written statements to spare themselves from being publicly exposed, as Giridhari das is being now. Factually, many devotees there continue to worship Paramgati dasa as a bona fide spiritual master, even after he was removed from his position as sannyasi and initiator guru due to his sexual advances towards an underage boy.
[PADA: Right, the whole Krishna West concept teaches that KRISHNA's and
Srila Prabhupada's ideas are out-moded, out-dated, and basically wrong, and so we need to more or less conform to modern society and even promote gay marriages etc. Hrdayananda baffled some devotees a while back when he walked into a temple without removing his shoes, and he launched into a giant tirade about modern education being a slaughterhouse, while he was himself going to college even while he was a guru, to get his Ph. D. degree (aka -- Howard J. Resnick, Ph.D.)?
Aren't sannyasas supposed to go to college to set up preaching programs, not to go there to obtain their mundane education classes? And the rest of the GBC knew the whole time that HDG and Tamal were going to college while they were gurus and sannyasas?]
One of the leading initiating gurus in Brazil once told me the same thing straight away – that no one can say that to have free sex with one's wife is illicit and that no scripture says so. This is what they usually tell their disciples in privacy, although they may avoid cameras and written statements to spare themselves from being publicly exposed, as Giridhari das is being now. Factually, many devotees there continue to worship Paramgati dasa as a bona fide spiritual master, even after he was removed from his position as sannyasi and initiator guru due to his sexual advances towards an underage boy.
They are so out-spaced that everyone there still calls Hridayananda "Acaryadeva" – although such titles have been banned decades ago –, think that he is a maha-bhagavata and believes that he was personally appointed by Prabhupada as his successor.
[PADA: And some followers of the Sridhara Maharaja (Tripurari swami et al.) program recently told PADA, we all know that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 guru successors. NOPE! You guys appointed them as gurus, not Srila Prabhupada! You said they are the appointed gurus and no one else.]
Similarly, the author also speaks as if he didn't know that Hridayananda himself is also a pioneer in performing gay marriages, despite Srila Prabhupada's clear statement that this is abominable. His complaint to the GBC is also like crying in the wilderness, since Giridhari das himself is a member of the GBC, and is probably the kind of man they want, as birds of the same feather flock together.
[PADA: Right, whole GBC is complicit in promoting all this rubbish.]
Since Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this regard are absolutely unambiguous, by claiming that the scriptures don't say that sex in only meant for procreation, Giridhari das is openly affirming that Srila Prabhupada's books are not scripture, and that his statements don't need to be taken into consideration. This he also what he learnt from Hridayananda, who is very fond of disagreeing with Prabhupada and making clear that he knows better than him, as he did when he publicly declared that he doesn't believe that Draupadi was disrobed, although Prabhupada himself told this pastime.
As Giridhari das also doesn't give credit to Srila Prabhupada's words, he gives Kardama and Devahuti as an example to try to justify his free sex philosophy, but he ignores the following purport in which sex without procreation purposes is obviously ruled out:
"Kardama Muni was sexually stimulated, and he enjoyed his wife for many, many years in that part of Mount Meru. But his sex indulgence was praised by many, many Siddhas, beings who have attained perfection, because it was intended to produce good progeny for the good of universal affairs." (SB 3.23.39 purport)
Giridhari das also overlooks the fact that Kardama and Devahuti are prajapatis, not ordinary human beings, and that they were appointed by Lord Brahma to populate the universe. The devil quotes scripture. It is indeed shocking that Giridhari das presents himself as a Bhagavad-gita teacher, while in the mentioned video he seems to deny the existence of the following verse:
"I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna].
PURPORT
"The strong man's strength should be applied to protect the weak, not for personal aggression. Similarly, sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise. The responsibility of parents is then to make their offspring Krsna conscious." (Bg 7.11)
Of course, here again, like Hridayananda, Giridhari das wants to impress upon his public that he knows the Gita better than Srila Prabhupada and can interpret the words dharma-aviruddha in his own way to say that "religious sex" has nothing to do with procreation. According to the human rights, he can do that, after all, as Prabhupada used to point out, there are so many hundreds of commentaries on the Bhagavad-gita. Unfortunately, unauthorized commentaries never helped a single soul to progress even slightly in Krishna consciousness. So Hridayananda and Giridhari das think that just like Prabhupada has his own opinion and interpretation, they can have theirs, right?
Wrong.
Srila Prabhupada always made it clear that he is not adding anything but is just repeating the words of the previous acaryas. And who are the acaryas who say that religious sex is only meant for procreation? First of all, Sridhara Svami, the famous commentator of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, whom Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu venerated so much and about whom He proclaimed:
"One who does not accept the svami [husband] as an authority I consider a prostitute." (Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 7.115)
In his commentary on the above quoted verse from the Gita, Sridhara Svami clearly defines the words dharma-aviruddha as sex exclusively meant for procreation. As Giridhari das doesn't accept the Svami, it is no surprise that he is publicly advertising illicit sex like a prostitute. Moreover, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti and Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana say exactly the same thing in their commentaries on the same verse. These three acaryas' commentaries were the basis for Srila Prabhupada's purports, and all of them agree on this point. The available translations can be read at the end of this article.
The idea that sex has nothing to do with spiritual life is actually nothing new. Many other bogus gurus came up with this idea before. In the same way, more than a hundred years ago, Rama Krishna and Vivekananda were also preaching that food has nothing to do with spiritual life, and therefore one can eat meat without worries.
[PADA: Yep, Rajneesh was preaching pretty much the same idea, freedom from sexual restrictions, which is why Srila Prabhupada was saying very unsavory things about these types of "new age" gurus.]
This kind of "preaching" will be always very appealing to a large class of fools. At least Giridhari das is frank enough to admit that he is a follower of the material nature – implying mostly rajas and tamas – as he repeatedly says that it is totally "natural." As for the real transcendentalists in ISKCON, they are followers of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, not the material nature. They follow bona fide guru, sadhu and shastra, instead of denying them to follow the lower modes of material nature.
At the end of the article, it seems that the author finally comes to his senses and reaches the right conclusion – such preaching is nothing but a stratagem of Kali to destroy Srila Prabhupada's mission and establish demoniac principles instead of sanatana-dharma.
Anyone can find many more quotations in the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase Folio, therefore I am just giving a few here for the sake of the sincere readers, not for Giridhari das and not for Hridayananda, for they are hopeless cases and have their own agenda – to replace ISKCON with their concocted New Age cult called "Krishna West," in which regulative principles are an Indian thing that can be ignored.
[PADA: Oddly, the GBC is relying more and more on the Hindus, while basically saying the Hindus are old fashioned fuddy duddy kooks.]
"A householder may have wife, may have sex life, but that is for having children only, that's all. A householder does not mean he gets license to legalize prostitution. That is not householder. Householder can simply have sex life to beget nice child, that's all, no more. That is householder life; completely controlled. Householder does not mean whenever he has got this machine and he can use it. No." (Bhagavad-gita 6.46-47 -- Los Angeles, February 21, 1969)
"You have got one wife or one husband, and that is also restricted: only for begetting child you can have sex life. So many things. The whole idea is restriction. Not that 'Because I have got a wife it is a machine for sex life.' No, no. A marriage mean, that does not mean. Marriage does not mean like that. It is restriction." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.9-11 -- New Vrindaban, June 6, 1969)
"But the proposal that marriage will solve the question of lust, is not practical. Neither wife should be accepted as a machine for satisfying our lust. The marriage tie should be taken as very sacred. One who marries for subduing lust is mistaken." (Letter to: Hayagriva -- Seattle 7 October, 1968)
"As sense control is the beginning of pious life, illicit sex is the beginning of sinful life. One should not engage in illicit sex, or sex for any reason except having a child with one's wife. Marriage is meant for begetting children, and in that sense it is a religious institution. Lord Krsna confirms this in the Bhagavad-gita (7.11): dharmaviruddho bhutesu kamo 'smi. "I am sex that does not contradict religious principles." (Second Chance 13: Ajamila Begins His Degraded Life)
"For instance, we say, 'No illicit sex.' The Vedic system teaches that one who wants to have sex must get married and live according to religious principles. Then the husband and the wife can satisfy their desire for sex by begetting good children. There is no prohibition against sex; it is allowed. But not illicit sex. Engaging in illicit sex means you increase your attachment for sex, not Krsna. Therefore it is forbidden." The Quest for Enlightenment 7a: The Yoga of Pure Attachment)
"So that means illicit sex, sex without the, I mean to say, intention for begetting a nice child, that is illicit sex. " (Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.56-62 -- Surat, January 3, 1971, at Adubhai Patel's House)
"So they are passing, 'Yes, you can have homosex with man.' They are getting man-to-man marriage. You know? They are performing the marriage ceremony between man to man in the open church. What class of men they are? And they are priest. Just see. Such degraded persons." (Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth)
"Priest should be ideal character. And they are advocating homosex. So where is the ideal character men? If the priestly class they are going to hospital for drinking habit, and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?" (Room Conversation with Director of Research of the Dept. of Social Welfare -- May 21, 1975, Melbourne)
"My Dear Lalitananda dasa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated May 13rd, 1975 and have noted the contents. I am very sorry that you have taken to homosex. It will not help you advance in your attempt for spiritual life. In fact, it will only hamper your advancement. I do not know why you have taken to such abominable activities. What can I say? Anyway, try to render whatever service you can to Krishna. Even though you are in a very degraded condition Krishna, being pleased with your service attitude, can pick you up from your fallen state. You should stop this homosex immediately. It is illicit sex, otherwise, your chances of advancing in spiritual life are nil. Show Krishna you are serious, if you are. I hope this meets you in good health."
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
(Letter to: Lalitananda -- Hawaii 26 May, 1975)
[PADA: And some followers of the Sridhara Maharaja (Tripurari swami et al.) program recently told PADA, we all know that Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 guru successors. NOPE! You guys appointed them as gurus, not Srila Prabhupada! You said they are the appointed gurus and no one else.]
Similarly, the author also speaks as if he didn't know that Hridayananda himself is also a pioneer in performing gay marriages, despite Srila Prabhupada's clear statement that this is abominable. His complaint to the GBC is also like crying in the wilderness, since Giridhari das himself is a member of the GBC, and is probably the kind of man they want, as birds of the same feather flock together.
[PADA: Right, whole GBC is complicit in promoting all this rubbish.]
Since Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this regard are absolutely unambiguous, by claiming that the scriptures don't say that sex in only meant for procreation, Giridhari das is openly affirming that Srila Prabhupada's books are not scripture, and that his statements don't need to be taken into consideration. This he also what he learnt from Hridayananda, who is very fond of disagreeing with Prabhupada and making clear that he knows better than him, as he did when he publicly declared that he doesn't believe that Draupadi was disrobed, although Prabhupada himself told this pastime.
As Giridhari das also doesn't give credit to Srila Prabhupada's words, he gives Kardama and Devahuti as an example to try to justify his free sex philosophy, but he ignores the following purport in which sex without procreation purposes is obviously ruled out:
"Kardama Muni was sexually stimulated, and he enjoyed his wife for many, many years in that part of Mount Meru. But his sex indulgence was praised by many, many Siddhas, beings who have attained perfection, because it was intended to produce good progeny for the good of universal affairs." (SB 3.23.39 purport)
Giridhari das also overlooks the fact that Kardama and Devahuti are prajapatis, not ordinary human beings, and that they were appointed by Lord Brahma to populate the universe. The devil quotes scripture. It is indeed shocking that Giridhari das presents himself as a Bhagavad-gita teacher, while in the mentioned video he seems to deny the existence of the following verse:
"I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna].
PURPORT
"The strong man's strength should be applied to protect the weak, not for personal aggression. Similarly, sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise. The responsibility of parents is then to make their offspring Krsna conscious." (Bg 7.11)
Of course, here again, like Hridayananda, Giridhari das wants to impress upon his public that he knows the Gita better than Srila Prabhupada and can interpret the words dharma-aviruddha in his own way to say that "religious sex" has nothing to do with procreation. According to the human rights, he can do that, after all, as Prabhupada used to point out, there are so many hundreds of commentaries on the Bhagavad-gita. Unfortunately, unauthorized commentaries never helped a single soul to progress even slightly in Krishna consciousness. So Hridayananda and Giridhari das think that just like Prabhupada has his own opinion and interpretation, they can have theirs, right?
Wrong.
Srila Prabhupada always made it clear that he is not adding anything but is just repeating the words of the previous acaryas. And who are the acaryas who say that religious sex is only meant for procreation? First of all, Sridhara Svami, the famous commentator of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, whom Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu venerated so much and about whom He proclaimed:
"One who does not accept the svami [husband] as an authority I consider a prostitute." (Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 7.115)
In his commentary on the above quoted verse from the Gita, Sridhara Svami clearly defines the words dharma-aviruddha as sex exclusively meant for procreation. As Giridhari das doesn't accept the Svami, it is no surprise that he is publicly advertising illicit sex like a prostitute. Moreover, Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti and Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana say exactly the same thing in their commentaries on the same verse. These three acaryas' commentaries were the basis for Srila Prabhupada's purports, and all of them agree on this point. The available translations can be read at the end of this article.
The idea that sex has nothing to do with spiritual life is actually nothing new. Many other bogus gurus came up with this idea before. In the same way, more than a hundred years ago, Rama Krishna and Vivekananda were also preaching that food has nothing to do with spiritual life, and therefore one can eat meat without worries.
[PADA: Yep, Rajneesh was preaching pretty much the same idea, freedom from sexual restrictions, which is why Srila Prabhupada was saying very unsavory things about these types of "new age" gurus.]
This kind of "preaching" will be always very appealing to a large class of fools. At least Giridhari das is frank enough to admit that he is a follower of the material nature – implying mostly rajas and tamas – as he repeatedly says that it is totally "natural." As for the real transcendentalists in ISKCON, they are followers of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, not the material nature. They follow bona fide guru, sadhu and shastra, instead of denying them to follow the lower modes of material nature.
At the end of the article, it seems that the author finally comes to his senses and reaches the right conclusion – such preaching is nothing but a stratagem of Kali to destroy Srila Prabhupada's mission and establish demoniac principles instead of sanatana-dharma.
Anyone can find many more quotations in the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase Folio, therefore I am just giving a few here for the sake of the sincere readers, not for Giridhari das and not for Hridayananda, for they are hopeless cases and have their own agenda – to replace ISKCON with their concocted New Age cult called "Krishna West," in which regulative principles are an Indian thing that can be ignored.
[PADA: Oddly, the GBC is relying more and more on the Hindus, while basically saying the Hindus are old fashioned fuddy duddy kooks.]
"A householder may have wife, may have sex life, but that is for having children only, that's all. A householder does not mean he gets license to legalize prostitution. That is not householder. Householder can simply have sex life to beget nice child, that's all, no more. That is householder life; completely controlled. Householder does not mean whenever he has got this machine and he can use it. No." (Bhagavad-gita 6.46-47 -- Los Angeles, February 21, 1969)
"You have got one wife or one husband, and that is also restricted: only for begetting child you can have sex life. So many things. The whole idea is restriction. Not that 'Because I have got a wife it is a machine for sex life.' No, no. A marriage mean, that does not mean. Marriage does not mean like that. It is restriction." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.9-11 -- New Vrindaban, June 6, 1969)
"But the proposal that marriage will solve the question of lust, is not practical. Neither wife should be accepted as a machine for satisfying our lust. The marriage tie should be taken as very sacred. One who marries for subduing lust is mistaken." (Letter to: Hayagriva -- Seattle 7 October, 1968)
"As sense control is the beginning of pious life, illicit sex is the beginning of sinful life. One should not engage in illicit sex, or sex for any reason except having a child with one's wife. Marriage is meant for begetting children, and in that sense it is a religious institution. Lord Krsna confirms this in the Bhagavad-gita (7.11): dharmaviruddho bhutesu kamo 'smi. "I am sex that does not contradict religious principles." (Second Chance 13: Ajamila Begins His Degraded Life)
"For instance, we say, 'No illicit sex.' The Vedic system teaches that one who wants to have sex must get married and live according to religious principles. Then the husband and the wife can satisfy their desire for sex by begetting good children. There is no prohibition against sex; it is allowed. But not illicit sex. Engaging in illicit sex means you increase your attachment for sex, not Krsna. Therefore it is forbidden." The Quest for Enlightenment 7a: The Yoga of Pure Attachment)
"So that means illicit sex, sex without the, I mean to say, intention for begetting a nice child, that is illicit sex. " (Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.56-62 -- Surat, January 3, 1971, at Adubhai Patel's House)
"So they are passing, 'Yes, you can have homosex with man.' They are getting man-to-man marriage. You know? They are performing the marriage ceremony between man to man in the open church. What class of men they are? And they are priest. Just see. Such degraded persons." (Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth)
"Priest should be ideal character. And they are advocating homosex. So where is the ideal character men? If the priestly class they are going to hospital for drinking habit, and they are allowing man-to-man marriage and homosex, then where is ideal character?" (Room Conversation with Director of Research of the Dept. of Social Welfare -- May 21, 1975, Melbourne)
"My Dear Lalitananda dasa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated May 13rd, 1975 and have noted the contents. I am very sorry that you have taken to homosex. It will not help you advance in your attempt for spiritual life. In fact, it will only hamper your advancement. I do not know why you have taken to such abominable activities. What can I say? Anyway, try to render whatever service you can to Krishna. Even though you are in a very degraded condition Krishna, being pleased with your service attitude, can pick you up from your fallen state. You should stop this homosex immediately. It is illicit sex, otherwise, your chances of advancing in spiritual life are nil. Show Krishna you are serious, if you are. I hope this meets you in good health."
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
(Letter to: Lalitananda -- Hawaii 26 May, 1975)
[PADA: Yes, we should not compromise the principles for some cheap followers:]
The word jīva-hiṁsā (envy of other living entities) actually means stopping the preaching of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Preaching work is described as paropakāra, welfare activity for others. Those who are ignorant of the benefits of devotional service must be educated by preaching. If one stops preaching and simply sits down in a solitary place, he is engaging in material activity. If one desires to make a compromise with the Māyāvādīs, he is also engaged in material activity. A devotee should never make compromises with nondevotees. By acting as a professional guru, mystic yogī or miracle man, one may cheat and bluff the general public and gain fame as a wonderful mystic, but all this is considered to be dust, straw and grains of sand within the heart. In addition, one should follow the regulative principles and not desire illicit sex, gambling, intoxicants or meat. (Srila Prabhupada, CC Madhya 12.135, Purport)
PADA: Meanwhile Rocana says these living gurus like Hrdayananda are still a good idea, we just need to simply increase the administration rules over them to contain their deviations better. OK Rocana has no idea that gurus do not deviate and thus do not need administration rules to be enforced over them. ys pd]
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Saturday, January 28, 2017
Madhu Pandit Interview NDTV (India Television)
http://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/walk-the-talk/walk-the-talk-with-founders-of-akshaya-patra-447361
[PADA: Good job! Of course, when we were in India there were people who said that Srila Prabhupada should not accept donations from rich people, and his critics complained that he even took donations from life members who had restaurants that sold meat, alcohol and such, and some of his Gaudiya Matha God brothers thought that was bogus. Similarly, some of Madhu Pandit's critics are saying he also is bogus for following Srila Prabhupada's system of accepting donations from rich donators.
Actually they are attacking Srila Prabhupada, because he is the actual person who set up the idea of taking donations from the wealthy to sustain our programs.
Right but notice, same critical people could not do anything of substance after 1936, and similar modern critics cannot do much of substance now. Some of these critics cannot even put together a basic temple program in a little apartment sized program for 40 years now. Same things happened to Srila Prabhupada, his critics could not get substantial programs going. Anyway, Madhu Pandit is giving Krishna a good name, and that is the real reason he has so many critics. ys pd]
[PADA: Good job! Of course, when we were in India there were people who said that Srila Prabhupada should not accept donations from rich people, and his critics complained that he even took donations from life members who had restaurants that sold meat, alcohol and such, and some of his Gaudiya Matha God brothers thought that was bogus. Similarly, some of Madhu Pandit's critics are saying he also is bogus for following Srila Prabhupada's system of accepting donations from rich donators.
Actually they are attacking Srila Prabhupada, because he is the actual person who set up the idea of taking donations from the wealthy to sustain our programs.
Right but notice, same critical people could not do anything of substance after 1936, and similar modern critics cannot do much of substance now. Some of these critics cannot even put together a basic temple program in a little apartment sized program for 40 years now. Same things happened to Srila Prabhupada, his critics could not get substantial programs going. Anyway, Madhu Pandit is giving Krishna a good name, and that is the real reason he has so many critics. ys pd]
Mere to Giridhar Gopal (Hema Malini MUSIC Video)
Meera was a pretty brave soul to worship Krishna despite lots of opposition ... ys pd
Friday, January 27, 2017
Thursday, January 26, 2017
Serving the guru in his absence (Vishnujana Swami 1973)
VISHNUJANA MAHARAJA EXPLAINS HOW TO TAKE GUIDANCE FROM PHYSICALLY ABSENT SRILA PRABHUPADA
...His Divine Grace, we all know many examples how he knows everything about relative and absolute truth. He is able to decide accurately at every moment what is to be done. He is able to know what is most auspicious to be performed at a particular moment when there are so many things that could be done.
Why?
Because he is in direct touch with Krishna and he knows what Krishna's preference is. He is not bewildered, like Arjuna was bewildered in the beginning in the Bhagavad-Gita -- "What is most auspicious? On one hand, I'm supposed to fight because I'm a kshatriya; on the other hand, they are my grandfathers, I am not supposed to kill them."
He didn't know what is most auspicious to be performed. You see? But when he controlled his mind and senses, being convinced by Krishna, by His instructions, then he agreed to act under Krishna's instruction. Krishna sat on his chariot, "Arjuna, you kill him now." "Oh, but Krishna, this one is not even with his weapons, he is not even on his chariot."
Krishna said, "Kill him." So he killed him immediately -- a completely immoral act. He killed him, because the supreme morality is to act on the order of Krishna. So only one who has Krishna riding in his chariot and giving him instructions: "You shoot here," "You do this now," "You go here now," "You get married," "You don't get married," "You do this" -- only he is able to know what is to be done, what is not to be done.
Others, they only do the wrong thing, always do the wrong thing. Krishna consciousness is not artificial. Either we come to the point of having that Krishna-sun arisen in our heart, thereby being able to understand Krishna's desire and the relative and absolute, or we have to remain on the mental platform, speculating what is to be done, what is not to be done.
Now, in our beginning stages, it is not expected that we should have the Krishna-sun arisen within our heart immediately, and therefore the spiritual master acts as the external representation of Krishna and directly gives us instruction: "You do like this. You rise at this time. You bathe now. You take care of this detail, that detail." In this way, if you don't have the Krishna-sun arisen within your heart, you can be preserved -- until that time when the Krishna-sun arises within your heart -- by carrying out the same order coming down from the lips of the spiritual master.
So the spiritual master is the external representation of the Supersoul because he gives you instruction how to perform activity. Now an actual problem for most devotees is, "Well, Prabhupada isn't always here to ask about so many details. Then how do we make any decision? Are our hands tied that we can't do anything?" But we should understand this from the letters of our spiritual master, that he may give us a general instruction: "You manage nicely." He'll say like that: "You manage this nicely."
So the details of how to manage he may not have given. And by inquiry of some older God brothers, he may not be able to find out in detail how it was done properly in the past. But you have to think like this: "Since my spiritual master has ordered me to manage nicely, therefore the details will be revealed to me if I carry out this organization on his instruction, without any other motive. Simply I have to make decisions in order to manage nicely on his instruction." Prabhupada says in his letter that along with the order of the spiritual master comes the ability to carry it out.
So we should know with faith and conviction that if we carry out a general instruction from our spiritual master, without any other motive except to satisfy his order, then the details of that instruction will be revealed to us. This is the beauty of Krishna consciousness, that you actually get a tangible experience in this way of the transcendental relationship between yourself and the spiritual master that, "Even though he is not there personally giving me detailed instruction, I know what to do because I am acting only on his instruction. Therefore I know what decision to make."
So even this may not come at first, because after all there are so many personal motives that enter in many times. But if we keep association with older Godbrothers, older devotees, then we'll be able to see their example, how they are carrying it out nicely. Although they may not know so many details, they are not perplexed -- they are making decisions, hundreds of decisions daily, with faith and conviction.
Therefore, I simply have to align myself with their activities and I will also become engaged and learn this art -- how to carry out the order of the spiritual master with faith and conviction -- and that along with his order comes the ability to carry it out. That the Krishna-sun will rise in my heart if I simply act on his order without any other motive, and the details of all relative and absolute truth will be revealed to me.
This is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-Gita: that even if the spiritual master does not instruct the disciple, Krishna Himself from within will give this disciple full instruction -- if he is sincere to carry out the order. Sincere means to carry out the order with faith and conviction that everything will be revealed to me if I simply do this. And the order is not very difficult: chant Hare Krishna, eat Krishna-prasadam, go on street sankirtan, preach, spread Krishna consciousness, go on pushing forward.
Don't be satisfied that, "Oh, now we have a nice temple. Everything is nice, now we can just sit back." No, we have to go out and defeat the rascals, like Lord Chaitanya went out. He didn't stay in the temple. He went out and He approached the scientists Sarvabhauma Bhattacharya, and Prakashananda Sarasvati -- they were great impersonal scientists. He approached them and He defeated them, and converted them.
So since we are following in the line of Lord Chaitanya, we also have to do that. We can't be satisfied that, "Oh, now we have a nice, beautiful temple." No. Following in Lord Chaitanya's footsteps means to go out and convert these rascals. That is Lord Chaitanya's movement.
Vishnujana Swami 's class on Nectar of Devotion, Chapter Seven - Los Angeles -- May 8, 1973
Wednesday, January 25, 2017
Hari Sauri (Denis Harrison) Struggle with Superior Arrangement
A Struggle against Superior Arrangement
This is one of many stories told by Hari sauri dasa who was Srila Prabhupada's personal servant for a number of years back in the 70's:
As I laid out the straw mat on the sunlit veranda to prepare for his massage, Srila Prabhupada drew my attention to some sparrows making a nest. They had chosen a hole in the wall behind the electrical circuit box just outside Prabhupada's sitting-room window. He said that their chirping disturbed him at night while translating his books. So before they could build a complete nest and settle in, I removed the bits of strew they had gathered.
But as I began the massage one of the birds returned and started to rebuild the nest, flying back and forth with small pieces of strew. I crumpled some paper and stuffed it into the hole to block it.
So when the sparrow came back and found its access barred, it pecked, undaunted, at the paper for almost half an hour, trying to open up the hole to continue its home-making. When the bird found this too difficult, it flew off and returned with its mate. Together they worked hard to remove the paper, eventually succeeding. By pecking and tugging in unison, they removed the paper and began to build again. All the while Srila Prabhupada watched them without comment.
When the birds flew away to get more strew, I again filled the hole with the paper, this time forcing it in so tight that the sparrows couldn't possibly remove it. The sparrows returned and spent a long time to regain access, but this time were unsuccessful. Eventually they accepted defeat, gave up, and left.
Prabhupada then drew an interesting parallel. He told me that even though the birds had eyes, they could not see. Although they were trying so hard to build their house, they couldn't see that the person who was preventing them was standing nearby watching. So they continued on in ignorance trying to make adjustments, struggling against a superior arrangement.
He explained how in the same way, materialistic persons, although having eyes, are unable to see how the illusory energy is supervising all their efforts. They simply struggle on, making adjustments, hoping to improve their lives and secure their place in the material world, not understanding that maya is watching their every move and defeating them at every step.
(Hari sauri Diary)
This is one of many stories told by Hari sauri dasa who was Srila Prabhupada's personal servant for a number of years back in the 70's:
As I laid out the straw mat on the sunlit veranda to prepare for his massage, Srila Prabhupada drew my attention to some sparrows making a nest. They had chosen a hole in the wall behind the electrical circuit box just outside Prabhupada's sitting-room window. He said that their chirping disturbed him at night while translating his books. So before they could build a complete nest and settle in, I removed the bits of strew they had gathered.
But as I began the massage one of the birds returned and started to rebuild the nest, flying back and forth with small pieces of strew. I crumpled some paper and stuffed it into the hole to block it.
So when the sparrow came back and found its access barred, it pecked, undaunted, at the paper for almost half an hour, trying to open up the hole to continue its home-making. When the bird found this too difficult, it flew off and returned with its mate. Together they worked hard to remove the paper, eventually succeeding. By pecking and tugging in unison, they removed the paper and began to build again. All the while Srila Prabhupada watched them without comment.
When the birds flew away to get more strew, I again filled the hole with the paper, this time forcing it in so tight that the sparrows couldn't possibly remove it. The sparrows returned and spent a long time to regain access, but this time were unsuccessful. Eventually they accepted defeat, gave up, and left.
Prabhupada then drew an interesting parallel. He told me that even though the birds had eyes, they could not see. Although they were trying so hard to build their house, they couldn't see that the person who was preventing them was standing nearby watching. So they continued on in ignorance trying to make adjustments, struggling against a superior arrangement.
He explained how in the same way, materialistic persons, although having eyes, are unable to see how the illusory energy is supervising all their efforts. They simply struggle on, making adjustments, hoping to improve their lives and secure their place in the material world, not understanding that maya is watching their every move and defeating them at every step.
(Hari sauri Diary)
[PADA: Wow. This exactly describes the post-1977 guru parampara promoted by Hari Sauri das! Hari Sauri's post-1977 self-advertised acharyas have created an endless list of constant "emergency meetings," contrary annual reports, contrary letters, contrary position papers, countless ad hoc rules for acharyas, and their overall ever changing ideas on "guru tattva." Was Ramesvara right when he said in a lecture that he had a dream he was burning in hell for accepting disciples? Heh heh heh, probably! And what about these Hari Sauri folks who crammed this program forward?
Yep, the Hari Sauri program has tried every trick in the book, even tossed in the kitchen sink, and lets not forget -- banning, beating, suing, and even assassinating, all to cram their illicit sex messiahs into human society, but -- its just not being accepted. Right, that is because these mundane acharya's problems and subsequent mundane rules for acharyas to solve their mundane problems, do not apply to any actual acharyas. ys pd]
Yep, the Hari Sauri program has tried every trick in the book, even tossed in the kitchen sink, and lets not forget -- banning, beating, suing, and even assassinating, all to cram their illicit sex messiahs into human society, but -- its just not being accepted. Right, that is because these mundane acharya's problems and subsequent mundane rules for acharyas to solve their mundane problems, do not apply to any actual acharyas. ys pd]
Tuesday, January 24, 2017
2015 Message From Bhaja Hari Murphy
Bhajahari Murphy
July 1, 2015 ·
iOS
WHAT MIGHT HE SOUND LIKE?
I speak this truth in earnest.
and hopefully not with pride,
But each and every day now,
I keep Prabhupada by my side.
I listen for hours to his divine recorded chanting, his lecturing, his discussing intimately with his secretaries the problems facing the Krsna Consciousness movement.
I become exhilarated while out with him on morning walks, I relish his fighting talks... He always preaches so boldly and without any fear..... at all.
I have not always listened so attentively, but just over 4 years ago I was brought to my knees during the agony of a severe heart attack.
Jiva Jago Jiva Jago
Gaurachandra bole ....
A few weeks earlier, during a particularly sweet japa period late at night before our beautiful Sri Sri Nityananda Gaura, I was feeling a desperate need to come closer to Srila Prabhupada.
I was feeling bad that, whatever I had previously done for Prabhupada was mostly a long time ago, during the vigour of my youth.
I now wanted to make up for so much lost time. I wanted to become more of an instrument in his service, to understand in no uncertain terms, what was the best thing I could or should be doing for the development of my spiritual life.
How should I progress?
How should I please him?
I decided to pray fervently to our grandfather spiritual master, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami, recalling that sometimes Srila Prabhupada had said that the grandfather is often more benevolent than even the father.
My heartfelt prayer was...
"My dear Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja
My eternal spiritual grandfather.
Please make me serious now.
I am getting older and older by the day. Death may come at any moment, and I want to be ready this time.
I do not want to fail the examination. I do not want to be left wanting or regretting anything this time around. Not like in the past.
Please show me the way forward in pleasing your perfect son, our Srila Prabhupada, I am ready for whatever it takes."
I took it that the ensuing heart attack was the answer to my urgent praying. And I especially took it that,
while recovering at 'Hare'-field Hospital, my dear wife, my undoubted best friend in this lifetime, gave me her new fangled iPod with over 100 audio files of His Divine Grace, for me to listen to during my recovery.
That was it for me. I realised almost immediately, that if I was to make any real spiritual progress in this lifetime, I had to, as much as possible, listen to Srila Prabhupada constantly.
Now, at the flick of a switch, as soon as there is a spare moment, Srila Prabhupada is speaking to me personally, directly into my earpiece, reminding me of the purpose of this Kali Yuga life, and protecting me from its wicked onslaught.
The other day, and this is what actually prompted my posting
I was listening to Srila Prabhupada and I was thinking....
Your voice is so unique. I actually do not feel the day has begun until I hear the sweet sound vibration emanating from your lotus lips.
There is no voice anywhere that is as sublime, as divine, as kind, as friendly, as personal, as intimate, as urgent, as encouraging, as inspiring, as enthusiastic, as eager, as strong, as witty, as wise, as clever, as funny, as fatherly, as loving, as concerned, as strong, as fearless, as commanding, and sometimes as demanding, as always Krsna conscious, and just so,....so Prabhupada.
Thinking like this, I began to think of, or rather wonder about, the sound of Krsna's voice. How unbelievably divine must His voice also be......
What might He sound like?
Dear Prabhus, both young and old, please listen to Srila Prabhupada as a regular daily function. All problems you may be facing will go away if you do. It is guaranteed
Your friend, servant
Bhajahari das
July 1, 2015 ·
iOS
WHAT MIGHT HE SOUND LIKE?
I speak this truth in earnest.
and hopefully not with pride,
But each and every day now,
I keep Prabhupada by my side.
I listen for hours to his divine recorded chanting, his lecturing, his discussing intimately with his secretaries the problems facing the Krsna Consciousness movement.
I become exhilarated while out with him on morning walks, I relish his fighting talks... He always preaches so boldly and without any fear..... at all.
I have not always listened so attentively, but just over 4 years ago I was brought to my knees during the agony of a severe heart attack.
Jiva Jago Jiva Jago
Gaurachandra bole ....
A few weeks earlier, during a particularly sweet japa period late at night before our beautiful Sri Sri Nityananda Gaura, I was feeling a desperate need to come closer to Srila Prabhupada.
I was feeling bad that, whatever I had previously done for Prabhupada was mostly a long time ago, during the vigour of my youth.
I now wanted to make up for so much lost time. I wanted to become more of an instrument in his service, to understand in no uncertain terms, what was the best thing I could or should be doing for the development of my spiritual life.
How should I progress?
How should I please him?
I decided to pray fervently to our grandfather spiritual master, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami, recalling that sometimes Srila Prabhupada had said that the grandfather is often more benevolent than even the father.
My heartfelt prayer was...
"My dear Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja
My eternal spiritual grandfather.
Please make me serious now.
I am getting older and older by the day. Death may come at any moment, and I want to be ready this time.
I do not want to fail the examination. I do not want to be left wanting or regretting anything this time around. Not like in the past.
Please show me the way forward in pleasing your perfect son, our Srila Prabhupada, I am ready for whatever it takes."
I took it that the ensuing heart attack was the answer to my urgent praying. And I especially took it that,
while recovering at 'Hare'-field Hospital, my dear wife, my undoubted best friend in this lifetime, gave me her new fangled iPod with over 100 audio files of His Divine Grace, for me to listen to during my recovery.
That was it for me. I realised almost immediately, that if I was to make any real spiritual progress in this lifetime, I had to, as much as possible, listen to Srila Prabhupada constantly.
Now, at the flick of a switch, as soon as there is a spare moment, Srila Prabhupada is speaking to me personally, directly into my earpiece, reminding me of the purpose of this Kali Yuga life, and protecting me from its wicked onslaught.
The other day, and this is what actually prompted my posting
I was listening to Srila Prabhupada and I was thinking....
Your voice is so unique. I actually do not feel the day has begun until I hear the sweet sound vibration emanating from your lotus lips.
There is no voice anywhere that is as sublime, as divine, as kind, as friendly, as personal, as intimate, as urgent, as encouraging, as inspiring, as enthusiastic, as eager, as strong, as witty, as wise, as clever, as funny, as fatherly, as loving, as concerned, as strong, as fearless, as commanding, and sometimes as demanding, as always Krsna conscious, and just so,....so Prabhupada.
Thinking like this, I began to think of, or rather wonder about, the sound of Krsna's voice. How unbelievably divine must His voice also be......
What might He sound like?
Dear Prabhus, both young and old, please listen to Srila Prabhupada as a regular daily function. All problems you may be facing will go away if you do. It is guaranteed
Your friend, servant
Bhajahari das
Govinda Dasi Writes Wrongs (Update)
Dear Respected Vaishnavas and Vaishnavis,
My humble obeisances. This infighting over politics is becoming disturbing, esp when friends are being lost and offenses made. Have we forgotten that all events on Earth are controlled by God? Krishna has his devas, demigods, who are the agents in charge of all these events. We are not the controllers. Just see the example of proof here in the May 2016 Astrological readings of our illustrious Godbrother Patita Pavana Prabhu!
In May of 2016 he clearly predicted Trump to be the next president. In September of 2014, he predicted that America's sade sati (7 years of Saturn hardships) would begin when Saturn enters Sagittarius. That will be on Jan. 26, 2017. What are we thinking? That we can control Krishna's creation?
Please, let us become sane and Krishna conscious, and prepare for the difficult times ahead. We have been forewarned by our Srila Prabhupada. We should not act out in ignorance like the angry mobs. Please please read these two newsletters, to understand this is not in our control. The only thing we can really do is loudly chant the Holy Names to purify the Earth atmosphere and lessen the suffering for everyone. Your servant, Govindadasi
[PADA: OK that is pretty much what devotees like Govinda Dasi kept telling me over the years when I said that the GBC's gurus are bogus and crimes are going on etc. "Well prabhu, don't you know that Krishna is in control, just relax, He will fix it"! Hee hee! I do know who is in control, and thus when my toilet starts leaking, I'll try to fix it myself, or I'll call a plumber to fix it. I do not call Krishna to fix it?
Is Krishna my personal plumber? Well not actually, nope.
We have to take our own initiative to fix our own toilets, and our own religion, all by ourselves, or else it will deteriorate, just like our house will deteriorate if we let our toilet leak indefinitely. Krishna is not going to come to our house to fix our toilet, and He is also not going to come to our temple to stop sexual predators from sitting in big Vyasa seats being worshiped as the successors to Vyasa and KRISHNA. Nope! Krishna wants us to serve Him, and fix these things ourselves. Or at least address these things ourselves.
Yep! Krishna is leaving these "fixing things up" programs up to us, His alleged servants. If we servants do not clean His house here on this planet, we failed the test. Thus we are then not eligible to go to His planet, because we still think He is our servant, and He is our plumber and janitor etc, that's all. Wake up folks! Krishna is just not going to come to your house with a giant plunger dressed as a roto rooter man, and start plunging out your toilet. And its amazing how many people do not seem to realize this?
If sexual predators and debauchees are sitting in Krishna's and your guru's seat, then its OUR job to protest and try to fix that, its not Krishna's job? Of course Krishna is helping somewhat in the background. So Krishna had Kirtanananda whacked on the head with a pipe, to try to calm this rascal down. Krishna was fixing things!
BUT!
Then Govinda Dasi's great astrologer Patit Pavana came to the Berkeley temple to pray for the recovery of "Srila Bhaktipada," and he started singing a kirtan to have Krishna fix Kirtanananda, and put this rascal back in the guru seat. OK so a big clog from our toilet is removed -- actually by Krishna Himself -- and we pray to have our toilets clogged up -- again? We liked the smell from the clogged toilet?
OK, so Krishna removes one sexual predator and criminal from one Vyasa seat with a pipe attack, and then Govinda Dasi's program wants to undo what Krishna has done, and replace this sexual predator back onto the Vyasa seat? That means, even if Krishna comes to Govinda Dasi's home to personally clean up her toilet, she is then going to clog it up again and make the same mess and horrific smell all over again! She won't even let Krishna clean up her sewage mess program -- which she and / or her pals think is a guru parampara.
Patit Pavana is always seeming to be giving bad astrology as well, does he not know the future, that when we worship sexual predators and criminals, there will be a bad future? He cannot even forsee the future of his idea of worship of deviants, that it will be horrific? And now Govinda dasi says we should not be like the angry mobs, right, we should allow the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program to sit in our temple's Vyasa seats -- and not even protest. Let the stink of the worship of debauchees as God's successors program continue! Let Krishna fix it! God is my janitor!
Recently, millions of women were out here protesting Donald Trump, because they claim, he has insulted women. Well maybe so and maybe not, but at least they have enough smarts to know, Krishna is not going to come out and protest on their behalf? If they want to protest something, they have to do it themselves! Krishna is not going to come down to earth and make some signs to protest some issue, these women have enough sense to know, they have to take action themselves. And if their toilet breaks down, they also have to fix that themselves! Etc!
So this is amazing, as soon as Krishna removes one sexual predator from the Vyasa, we have to pray to Krishna to put that predator back on the seat. Then Govinda Dasi wonders why ISKCON is so messed up, when she is blocking the people who want to clean out the sewage smell her pals think is a guru parampara, and her program even wants to block Krishna when He removes some of her sewage spill guru parampara members?
And this is why Srila Prabhupada warned us a number of times "DO NOT MAKE IT A STOOL SOCIETY." He knew the future better than anyone.
ys pd
Yep! Krishna is leaving these "fixing things up" programs up to us, His alleged servants. If we servants do not clean His house here on this planet, we failed the test. Thus we are then not eligible to go to His planet, because we still think He is our servant, and He is our plumber and janitor etc, that's all. Wake up folks! Krishna is just not going to come to your house with a giant plunger dressed as a roto rooter man, and start plunging out your toilet. And its amazing how many people do not seem to realize this?
If sexual predators and debauchees are sitting in Krishna's and your guru's seat, then its OUR job to protest and try to fix that, its not Krishna's job? Of course Krishna is helping somewhat in the background. So Krishna had Kirtanananda whacked on the head with a pipe, to try to calm this rascal down. Krishna was fixing things!
BUT!
Then Govinda Dasi's great astrologer Patit Pavana came to the Berkeley temple to pray for the recovery of "Srila Bhaktipada," and he started singing a kirtan to have Krishna fix Kirtanananda, and put this rascal back in the guru seat. OK so a big clog from our toilet is removed -- actually by Krishna Himself -- and we pray to have our toilets clogged up -- again? We liked the smell from the clogged toilet?
OK, so Krishna removes one sexual predator and criminal from one Vyasa seat with a pipe attack, and then Govinda Dasi's program wants to undo what Krishna has done, and replace this sexual predator back onto the Vyasa seat? That means, even if Krishna comes to Govinda Dasi's home to personally clean up her toilet, she is then going to clog it up again and make the same mess and horrific smell all over again! She won't even let Krishna clean up her sewage mess program -- which she and / or her pals think is a guru parampara.
Patit Pavana is always seeming to be giving bad astrology as well, does he not know the future, that when we worship sexual predators and criminals, there will be a bad future? He cannot even forsee the future of his idea of worship of deviants, that it will be horrific? And now Govinda dasi says we should not be like the angry mobs, right, we should allow the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program to sit in our temple's Vyasa seats -- and not even protest. Let the stink of the worship of debauchees as God's successors program continue! Let Krishna fix it! God is my janitor!
Recently, millions of women were out here protesting Donald Trump, because they claim, he has insulted women. Well maybe so and maybe not, but at least they have enough smarts to know, Krishna is not going to come out and protest on their behalf? If they want to protest something, they have to do it themselves! Krishna is not going to come down to earth and make some signs to protest some issue, these women have enough sense to know, they have to take action themselves. And if their toilet breaks down, they also have to fix that themselves! Etc!
So this is amazing, as soon as Krishna removes one sexual predator from the Vyasa, we have to pray to Krishna to put that predator back on the seat. Then Govinda Dasi wonders why ISKCON is so messed up, when she is blocking the people who want to clean out the sewage smell her pals think is a guru parampara, and her program even wants to block Krishna when He removes some of her sewage spill guru parampara members?
And this is why Srila Prabhupada warned us a number of times "DO NOT MAKE IT A STOOL SOCIETY." He knew the future better than anyone.
ys pd
Monday, January 23, 2017
Uttama Sloka (Ron Marinelli) says God is a giant bully (update)
[PADA: Thanks for your wonderful article prabhu. Yes, the Uttama Sloka (Ron Marinelli) group was recently beating the stuffing out of a poor newer Bhakta, who was initiated by a GBC guru (with predictable sad results) because this Bhakta was arguing correctly that we originated with Krishna. And so the Uttama Sloka group harassed this poor Bhakta and literally drove him to shedding tears, because they had to resort to attacking his character for not accepting their bogus idea, that Srila Prabhupada's teachings are false.
As PADA pointed out some time ago, Uttama Sloka is basically preaching the Catholic Church's "Jiva Tattva," that some pre-fortunate souls start off with God in heaven, and some pre-condemned souls have to start out here, in a lesser -- if not fallen state. OK that means God is a biased tyrant, God pre-judges some of His children as less important than some of His other children. And following form, Uttama Sloka is a giant bully in promoting his bogus ideas, just like he thinks God is a giant bully.
Of course, this all fits together, since the Uttama Sloka / Ron Marinelli / GBC / Gaudiya Matha idea is that acharyas are voted in, just like the Pope is voted in. So -- on all sorts of levels -- they want to introduce their mundane ideas onto the spiritual process. Then again, some of the ISKCON ex-children ask us, where were these Uttama Sloka types when PADA was protesting all the banning, beating, molesting and murders? Well apparently, he was propping up the regime by saying the Gaudiya Matha's voted in messiahs and other ideologues are correct -- as well as their other foolish ideas.
Yep, we are not going Back to Godhead because we were never there, and Srila Prabhupada said -- those who say that are tinged with Mayavada. So they are clearly Mayavada, and they are also ecclesiastical church voted in acharyas, ok they are mundane people, plain and simple.
I find it horrendous that they are beating up even on new Bhaktas to try to shake their faith in the acharyas and Krishna, and they want people to accept their hellish idea that God is a biased bully tyrant, who pre-judges some of His children to have to fall into hell while others are pre-judged to stay with Him. Yep! God is the most horrific dictator, and they call that "the rasika idea." I am glad you appreciate how deviant these people are.
Right! God is equal to ALL of His children -- and so He starts ALL of them off in the same location, with Him, and some of us MAKE A CHOICE to leave. Thus! Some are not pre-destined to be with Him while some are pre-destined to be outside of the father's house. Then again, if we look at the policy of folks like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, and some of these other preachers of the idea that God is a tyrant, and we look at some of the acharyas they have promoted, we would have to say mostly their acharyas are also tyrants, because they are in love with tyranny. And that is why they beat the stuffing out of this poor new bhakta and made him cry ... they worship tyranny.
Of course the bogus ISKCON GBC's gurus are the original cause of all of these problems, because they are the people who introduced these Gaudiya Matha "tinged with mayavada" folks into ISKCON in the first place, and unleashed this Pandora's box of foolishness.
ys pd]
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Hare Krishna Dear Pada Prabhu,
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2013/06/re-uttama-slokas-ron-marinelli.html
Thank you very much for writing this post.I have nothing against Uttamasloka Dasa as I do not know him but it is very unfortunate that he is preaching incorrect false conclusions regarding the origin of jiva. Yes he confused the whole topic of jiva’s origin and surpassed the commentary given by A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and previous acaryas.He also claimed that what he is saying regarding the origin of jiva soul is agreed by all previous acaryas but the evidence is against his claim as all previous acaryas agreed on the conclusion that jiva fell down from the eternal lilas of Krsna.Here’s the evidence:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SIvYOBfs_VhGv5yA3ZuZa50QFT-obe32rtnZ9KjtfaM/edit?pli=1
Here’s more proof:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/12/origin-of-jeeva-soul-1.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/12/fall-of-jeeva-soul-pt-3.
htmlhttp://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/12/origins-of-jeeva-soul-pt2.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/07/the-fall-of-jeeva-soul-pt-1.html
http://harekrsna.org/origin-of-jiva/
The jiva origin issue has been debated so many times, there are many little raganuga wannabes around the internet, well equipped with esoteric sastric data, who fraudulently make a show of preaching raga-marga-bhakti in the world to satisfy their self establishing lust for labha, puja, and pratistha, they claim that jiva didn’t fall from the eternal lilas of Krsna and they label it as “envy-vada” because of this many neophytes are bewildered, but real devotees around the world have logically debunked their claims with the help of sadhu, sastra and guru.
The final conclusion is always - formerly we were with Krsna in his lila, or sport.The conditioned souls now in this material world were originally in a direct relationship of service to Krsna in the spiritual world. By misuse of free will, manifested as a desire to imitate the Lord and become the supreme enjoyer, some souls have given up their natural position.
They have been placed in the material world, but by proper use of free will they can regain their original position. What about statements that “no one falls from Vaikuntha”? Srila Prabhupada has explained that in one sense we do not really fall. Our position is like a person who is dreaming. The person is lying on his own bed, but he is dreaming he is elsewhere. When he wakes up, he finds himself on his own bed. Actually, he never left his bed. He was just dreaming. So our position is like that.
We never leave our original position. Krsna simply creates a situation where we dream we have left. But when we wake up from the dream of material life, we find ourselves in our original position. The position never changes. We simply forget it for some time. So in that sense no one falls. Nevertheless, the original position is one of service to Krsna in the spiritual world. This is the way that Srila Prabhupada consistently answered questions about the fall of the jiva. He directly rejected suggestions that we were originally in the brahmajyoti or that we have been eternally in this material world.
He never said we were from the Viraja River, nor did he say our original position was different from the position we will attain upon going back to Godhead. These conclusions are in harmony with those of the previous acaryas and the sastras, especially Srimad-Bhagavatam. However, still this fact can only be accepted by those sincere seekers of truth who are not biased, who do not have inclination or disinclination and accept the authority of self realized empowered mahabhagavat devotees, they are sincere and just want to accept the real fact whatever it maybe.
But those who are biased, for them Krishna from within their heart supply intelligence required to make them believe what they want to believe regarding the origin of jiva soul or any other topic, and it is fine, I say believe what you want to believe, whatever makes you happy but please do not spread your beliefs to the greater Vaisnava community, just because the general mass of people are hypocrites, that doesn’t mean genuine people don’t exist and these genuine people would like to only accept the truth, so for the sake of them do not spread conclusions different from the previous acaryas, if you want to share your realizations,then that’s very nice, go ahead but before please confirm whether or not they are harmonious with the perfect conclusions of previous acaryas.
There have been many times when Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur’s book – Jaiva Dharma has been subject to misinterpretation but his many other statements regarding the origin of jiva are very clear – that jiva was really in the eternal lilas of Krishna.It is unfortunate that many so-called raganuga preachers around the internet cannot get their head around the fact that soul can really fall down to the material world and that Krishna consciousness is a process of revival.
It is the process of realizing your eternal vraja svarupa, your instinctive constitutional identity in relation to Radha and Krishna, and going back to home – back to Godhead. But maybe they don’t want to believe this because if they ascertain the fact that we really fell down from the lilas of Krishna, then this will make them humble! but they don’t want to be humble, they don’t want to accept that at some point of time in the course of eternity they became envious of Krsna and wanted to imitate him rather than serving him but know for sure that without being humble no one can chant the holy name of Krishna, the suddha-nama which is non-different from Krishna, which helps one understand such topics. t ād api sunīcenaṛṇtaror api sahi unāṣṇamāninā mānadenakīrtanīya sadā hariḥ ḥari
One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly. (Sri Siksastakam – Text 3)
Sunday, January 22, 2017
Hindu Priest Blesses Trump Inauguration
http://indiaarising.com/mind-blowing-video-hindu-priest-blessing-donald-trump-washington-must-watch/
[PADA: Well good, lets hope these blessings work, we need all the blessings we can get. ys pd]
[PADA: Well good, lets hope these blessings work, we need all the blessings we can get. ys pd]
Saturday, January 21, 2017
HKC Jaipur nabs wrong suspect
PADA: OK a while back we posted an article sent to us by a disgruntled Jaipur HKC victim. And then the HKC Jaipur folks blamed -- the wrong person -- for writing this article. And they have given this totally innocent person all sorts of grief -- for nothing, as we only now discovered a few days ago. "Give a dog a bad name and hang it."
Is this more bad advice from Prahlad das (Paul Scott?) of UK, who told the HKC to start to listen to his worshiped shiksha gurus, namely Bhakta das and Hari Sauri, the biggest defenders of the GBC's molester messiah's program? And then HKC followed this bogus advice. Is this a good advisor? OK, none of the other Prabhupadanugas think listening to the GBC's top cheer leaders is good advice.
The good news is -- hundreds or maybe even thousands of people have agreed with PADA, we cannot sneak Prahlad and his molester messiah's agenda into the Prabhupadanuga's program. A number of people say to PADA that Prahlad is simply a GBC mole, a spy, a plant, meant to introduce sympathy for his worship of sexual predators as God's successors agenda into the Prabhupadanuga camp, to cause dissension intentionally. It almost worked -- until we thwarted it.
And now the HKC are following even worse advice, lets attack even more Prabhupadanugas, instead of trying to mend fences and cooperate with others?
Then again, a few folks complained some of these HKC folks suffer from paranoid mental issues, which makes them lash out at innocent persons for no good reason. Are they right?
Can you guys at least try to communicate with other devotees and make sure you get your facts straight, before you make people walk the plank and fall into the ocean of your attacks? Simply attacking the other Srila Prabhupada devotees is not going to make your program look bona fide, plain and simple.
This is a pattern, apparently almost ALL the other Prabhupadanuga devotees are the bad guys, while GBC defenders like Bhakta Das and Hari Sauri are the good guys? So these attacks are for no good reason, which is also what the GBC does. Are the GBC our model of how to behave? Anyway, please apologize to the persons you wrongly blamed, your chronic attacking of the other devotees of Srila Prabhupada is not good for promoting Srila Prabhupada's mission -- whatsoever. ys pd
Krishna Village Write Up (Australia)
http://www.thecaviarspoon.com/krishna-village-australia/
[PADA: We have heard both good and not so good things about this place ... ys pd]
[PADA: We have heard both good and not so good things about this place ... ys pd]
Lets help Krishnapath's Program!
http://www.krishnapath.org/
PADA: Let's kindly help this program in their efforts to distribute the original editions of Srila Prabhupada's books to the mass of conditioned souls (and us conditioned souls too)! Go to the site above, scroll to the bottom, and hit the donate button. You can make a regular monthly donation from Paypal or a Visa card. Even if you just give $5.00 or $10.00 a month, it all helps, but if you can give more, that's wonderful because they can use it for more equipment and etc.
PADA: Let's kindly help this program in their efforts to distribute the original editions of Srila Prabhupada's books to the mass of conditioned souls (and us conditioned souls too)! Go to the site above, scroll to the bottom, and hit the donate button. You can make a regular monthly donation from Paypal or a Visa card. Even if you just give $5.00 or $10.00 a month, it all helps, but if you can give more, that's wonderful because they can use it for more equipment and etc.
Lets not forget that the mass book distribution program launched by Srila Prabhupada was pretty much chopped down by our wonderful GBC's leaders, who also changed up all the books with their bogus editing process. This site, and others like it, whom are also promoting original books, are the best way for people all over the planet to connect to the original editions at present. So lend them a hand in this important work. ys pd (angel108b@yahoo.com)
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From Purujit prabhu: Haribol PADA prabhu, I found a nice quote where Srila Prabhupada indirectly says that he is the living guru is his books. maybe you'll find it interesting for your blog. Here it is:
The spiritual master, or the representative, living representative of Krsna, he helps from outside, and Krsna as Paramatma helps from inside. In both ways the living entity can take advantage and make his life successful. We have got many books IN THIS CONNECTION, about twelve books of four hundred pages. So this is based on the authority of Vedas, and that is summarized in the Bhagavad-gita and many other books. So we have published Bhagavad-gita As It Is, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Krsna book, Easy Journey to Other Planets, Nectar of Devotion. So we request everyone to understand this movement by reading our authoritative literature in this connection.
Lecture -- Paris, June 26, 1971
Friday, January 20, 2017
His Divine Grace Mahamandaleshwar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swami (update)
PADA: OK thanks for the info Krishna Kirtan: Krishna Balaram swami (around 1986?) told the GBC he would only become part of the Vrndavana gurukula program if they shut it down for five years to train the teachers first, because the program was in a shambles, and it was not good for the children. And furthermore, Krishna Balarama swami knew there were "all kinds of crazy things going on there." OK so that means KB Swami knew children were not being treated properly there, and the whole Vrndavana school needed to be shut down for the sake of the children.
It seems to us then -- that the first problem with KB swami is -- he was addressing the gurukula problems (such as the abuse issue?) but only to the bogus GBC's gurus themselves -- and not to the police, or the parents of these kids, where he could have done something to help the children and clean this mess up. Reporting crimes to the same criminals who are creating the crimes -- helps nothing?
As an India citizen, KB swami could also have filed an FIR criminal complaint about these gurukula problems to the authorities. It seems evident that he knew of many of these problems, because he was a Brjabasi who knew the scene there better than any of us, and yet he did nothing of substance to fix these problems?
At that time, Jaggadish (Hickey) was one of the people in charge of the gurukula program, and now KB swami is saying that Jaggadish's program is bad, but why was KB Swami not saying that in 1986 -- when he could have helped us save the children, because we were protesting the gurukuli problem in 1986? Why has he waited so long to raise the alarm, at a point when its too late to help most victims?
At that time, Jaggadish (Hickey) was one of the people in charge of the gurukula program, and now KB swami is saying that Jaggadish's program is bad, but why was KB Swami not saying that in 1986 -- when he could have helped us save the children, because we were protesting the gurukuli problem in 1986? Why has he waited so long to raise the alarm, at a point when its too late to help most victims?
After it became unbearable, he walked into the GBC meeting room in 1989 and said that he was leaving, and that Srila Prabhupada was coming with him. Bhagavat Dharma Samaj today carries the spirit of the original ISKCON.
PADA: KB Swami could have made a big cardboard sign and made a public protest himself against the bogus gurukula, in fact hundreds of people make such protests every day in India. He also could have tried to alert the parents etc. He had a duty to save those children and he apparently did nothing, he let the children suffer in the frying pan. Yep! He could have notified the parents, notified the authorities, the media etc, but he did nothing that we ever heard of.
So that means KB Swami left the problem for others to sort out, like me, Sulochana, the police, the courts etc. If you abandon your own society's kids, that simply means, someone else will have to pick them up and take responsibility for them, hopefully someone good will take them up, maybe the police, maybe the courts, etc. KB Swami simply abandoned taking responsibility, and now his program is complaining that someone else had to take care of the kids he abandoned?
KB Swami knew these children were suffering and he did not help them, and his silence and acquiescing helped the Jaggadish / Hickey program. Why are you guys always helping the Jaggadisha program?
So that means KB Swami left the problem for others to sort out, like me, Sulochana, the police, the courts etc. If you abandon your own society's kids, that simply means, someone else will have to pick them up and take responsibility for them, hopefully someone good will take them up, maybe the police, maybe the courts, etc. KB Swami simply abandoned taking responsibility, and now his program is complaining that someone else had to take care of the kids he abandoned?
KB Swami knew these children were suffering and he did not help them, and his silence and acquiescing helped the Jaggadish / Hickey program. Why are you guys always helping the Jaggadisha program?
Krishna Kirtan So were other thousands of well meaning devotees who did not go to the police, they are all going to hell right? What were the police going to do? So much for your reporting to the "authorities" who did nothing.
PADA: So thousands of devotees -- like Krishna Balarama swami -- covered up the gurukula mess, which aided and abetted this mess, and now -- you worship him as your guru? Your folks caused the gurukula problems by their silence, and you worship a principle leader of the silent acquiescing program, KB Swami? Why does Krishna Kirtan worship the exact people who covered up gurukula problems as his gurus?
Anyway, I have to thank Krishna Kirtan for admitting, he worships the people who he claims -- covered up the Vrndavana gurukula mess. That's something people needed to know about him, but more importantly, about KB Swami. I am much more interested in exposing him than KK. You yourself said KB Swami knew about many of the gurukula problems, he said the place has to be shut down to save the kids, but he did not act, that means he aided and abetted the problems.
As for the lawsuit itself: The suicides dropped to almost nil; Younger girls who were about to be married to much older men were yanked out of that process (and some of them thanked me for helping get them out of there); And hundreds of other kids were pulled out of schools all over the place after the parents were alerted to the crisis.
Now I know that you and KB Swami do not think these people are important, and you type of folks were apparently too busy cheer leading the suicides program, as many ex-kulis told me, you folks are too busy counting your ill gotten shekels, and polishing your ill gotten buildings to be worried about people, but some of us -- do have concern for people. Anyway, KB Swami allowed the whole Jaggadish empire to continue without substantial protesting, that means KB Swami de facto co-created the abuse, the lawsuit, the bad publicity, the whole Jaggadish empire, and all of the above, by his silent acquiescing with this program.
KB Swami was not a GBC, ok fine, neither were we, so why did he hand this problem off to us, we had less capacity than he did, because he was at least a sannyasa in the institution, he had a lot more position and responsibility in correcting problems than we ever did. If we did not handle the problem well, that means he was foolish to hand it off to us and not correct this himself.
He is also a Brijabasi, at least according to his own self-advertising, why did he allow this "children going into the wood chipper" program to continue in his own back yard without vigorously protesting? Is this how he treats the children residents of the holy dham, he hands them off to a program he knows is not good? Where is his basic respect for the holy dham if he allows these abuses to go on in the dham? We have more respect for the dham than he ever will have, we do not want abuses to happen to ANY of these devotee children who reside there.
Worse, after abandoning these children to a program you folks knew was bad for them, and you folks knew children were being mistreated in the name of Krishna, you are upset with these children for having a bad attitude towards the religion. OK fine, but aren't you the people who caused them to have this bad attitude by your criminal negligence -- in the name of Krishna?
ys pd
As for the lawsuit itself: The suicides dropped to almost nil; Younger girls who were about to be married to much older men were yanked out of that process (and some of them thanked me for helping get them out of there); And hundreds of other kids were pulled out of schools all over the place after the parents were alerted to the crisis.
Now I know that you and KB Swami do not think these people are important, and you type of folks were apparently too busy cheer leading the suicides program, as many ex-kulis told me, you folks are too busy counting your ill gotten shekels, and polishing your ill gotten buildings to be worried about people, but some of us -- do have concern for people. Anyway, KB Swami allowed the whole Jaggadish empire to continue without substantial protesting, that means KB Swami de facto co-created the abuse, the lawsuit, the bad publicity, the whole Jaggadish empire, and all of the above, by his silent acquiescing with this program.
KB Swami was not a GBC, ok fine, neither were we, so why did he hand this problem off to us, we had less capacity than he did, because he was at least a sannyasa in the institution, he had a lot more position and responsibility in correcting problems than we ever did. If we did not handle the problem well, that means he was foolish to hand it off to us and not correct this himself.
He is also a Brijabasi, at least according to his own self-advertising, why did he allow this "children going into the wood chipper" program to continue in his own back yard without vigorously protesting? Is this how he treats the children residents of the holy dham, he hands them off to a program he knows is not good? Where is his basic respect for the holy dham if he allows these abuses to go on in the dham? We have more respect for the dham than he ever will have, we do not want abuses to happen to ANY of these devotee children who reside there.
Worse, after abandoning these children to a program you folks knew was bad for them, and you folks knew children were being mistreated in the name of Krishna, you are upset with these children for having a bad attitude towards the religion. OK fine, but aren't you the people who caused them to have this bad attitude by your criminal negligence -- in the name of Krishna?
ys pd
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